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Looks to me a bit like the raised rib on a Lutjic one barrel trap gun- and the 870- well, Rudy Etchen shot a 12 gauge 870 Trap Grade he got new in 1950-I'd like to have a C-note for every clay bird, box pigeon and game bird he shattered with that old Remmie- I could move in next to Bill Gates- or maybe his gardener!! The Model 21 received duck gun status in 1940, although 3-inch chambers could be ordered earlier. Such were the men of the long-range duck-hunting cult. We join Buckingham in his ducking skiff as he is poled through the bayou by Ab, his black guide. For small bores, there are still new factory wood sets available. That way, were helping small businesses in
Both guns were disassembled, cleaned and lightly oiled before testing. Winchester suggests their 3-inch 12-gauge shotshells with 1 3/8-ounces or 1 5/8-ounces of #4 shot for wildfowl hunting in their 1951 Ammunition Handbook: These shells were developed especially for extremes in long range shooting with 12-gauge Winchester Model 12 and Model 21 Heavy Duck Guns.. SERIAL NUMBER 39346 NO ALTERATIONS OF WOOD OR METAL. The help you need is to get a life. 98% original, WINCHESTER MODEL 25 PUMP SHOTGUN SOLID FRAME MODEL BARREL LENGTH 28" CHOKE MODIFIED. Winchester Model 12 with checkered forearm (slide handle) b'. Look for an offset proof mark on the barrel to indicate whether the rib came on the gun or was fitted aftermarket. Its been debated over the years if the solid rib model 12 barrel were silver brazed or fused with heat? The price $379 does not seem out of line for model 12's in this area; however, my question is does the Simmons rib add or detract from the value of the gun? The perimeter of the disc was then marked and the enclosed pellet holes counted. Manufactured in 1959. Blue is good showing wear on high spots. WE DO NOT SHIP INTERNATIONALLY
$40 Shipping. Remington re-tooled from the M31 to the stamp, push and press 870 which sold for less than the M12. This test, along with a check of adjustment remaining in the takedown joint and functioning of the slide lock dis-connector, are my standard mechanical checks for a Model 12. There are Simmons marketed guns with proper Winchester proof marks. Experts can attest to the vast improvements they have found shooting with the Simmons Ventilated Rib. 1938 lists the stock for a 12 gauge skeet grade as 14" with a Buttplate. Winchester Custom Model 12 20ga Deluxe GI#: 102228842 Winchester Custom Model 12 20ga 2 3/4" 28" full choke barrel,Simmons vent rib,serial #683559,fancy French Walnut checkered stocks with great color and figure,jeweled bolt and lifter,ex .Click for more info Seller: First Stop Gun Area Code: 605 $1,750.00 Fanciers of long-range shotguns now had a 12-gauge repeater shooting a 10-gauge shot load. Winchester Model 12 Takedown Slide Action Shotgun with Simmons Ventilated RibProduced in 1961. Charles Askins is the father of the late Colonel Charles Askins, Jr., of course. later on flinching became a problem with 12 gauge shooters becouse of 300 round tournaments. The new value of a WINCHESTER MODEL 12 shotgun has fallen ($937.31) dollars over the past 12 months to a price of $484.80 . FORE ARM HAS A PEICE OF WOOD MI, This is an all original 1962 made Winchester Model 12 in the harder to find 16 Gauge. The new Model 12 duck gun was introduced to long-range waterfowl hunters habituated to heavy double shotguns chambered for 3-inch shells. The Pitt-man-Robertson Act of 1937 began an 11 percent excise tax on sporting arms and ammunition. My gun is a pump action Model 12 shotgun with a grooved slide handle (forearm). Field grade pump gun with Mod choke barrel. Whether you're looking for a truck gun, something for the bug out bag, or a do-anything firearm we have you covered. Askins wrote in his 1929 book Modern Shotguns and Loads: Perhaps half the game that is killed in America today is shot with repeating shotguns, pump or automatic. I hunker down and blaze away. Gun #: 978404477 Seller: Sportsmans Legacy GA Sales: 739 $25,000.00 I rebuilt all of the trigger assemble with all new parts just reusing the guard. A 2pin vent rib lets the shooter sight under the bird and keep the bird in sight. He is engraving the old (Ulrich big duck 12-5 pattern) on it. Jack OConnor was there and sets the scene nicely in the Complete Book of Shooting. prior written consent of the Copyright holder. The point is the model 12 evolved. Refresh your browser window to try again. Just to add th the issue, here's a note that I copied from Trapshooters.com some time age. Second Media Corp., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. ORIGINAL BOX INCLUDED. Winchester Model 12 16 ga NIB Never Assembled! 1935 3" magnum offerd, will convert all 12 gages if wanted to 3" magnums, the begining of the long forcing cone. Checkered semi-fancy walnut pistol grip stock with extended forearm and a solid Winchester recoil pad. Keith stated in 1967: The old 70% standard is now obsolete and most any full choke gun will go 75% or better. Pictures are of the item listed. Madis states Ventilated ribs were rarely offered on [duck] guns. However, The fact is a few duck guns were provided with these ribs. Dave Riffles book and the various catalogs I have indicate that the Winchester new ventilated rib was an option from about 1954 to 1959. WINCHESTER MODEL 12 HEAVY DUCK GUN 30" SIMMONS VENT RIB 1953 PRE-64 RARE 12 GA. MAGNUM 3" EDITION PROOF MARKING - 12 GAUGE MAGNUM - 5 - 30 " Simmons vent rib and custom AA+ walnut furniture. I sold 41 model 12's and 21's at a gun auction in Wichita Kansas to accommodate the move. (no choke stamp on barrel). Dolphin717, please give us a page reference in Stadt where he mentions Simmons sending Model 12s with ribs back to Winchester for finishing, and/or marketing. The magnum led to new class of long-range double-barrel shotguns for waterfowl. My 1953 duck gun has the factory solid rib. Westerns 3-inch 12-gauge magnum with 1 3/8-ounces of shot was introduced the same year. Reduced bag limits and shell capacities for repeating shotguns were introduced. , The Winchester Model 12 Y series was introduced in 1972 and made until about 1984. Winchester Model 42 Slide Action Shotgun (#0596) on Mar 24, 2023 The used value of a WINCHESTER MODEL 12 shotgun has fallen ($310.78) dollars over the past 12 months to a price of $447.25 . However, the Model 12 duck gun should still be an excellent long-range waterfowl shotgun with the right ammunition. The magnitude of this sale is appreciated when you realize how few of the special 10- and 12-gauge magnum double guns were sold. Ducks Unlimited was born in 1937 to aid in restoration of wetland breeding areas, primarily in Canada. For more information: www.p65warnings.ca.gov. Winchester proof steel replaced nickel steel in the manufacture of all Winchester firearms in the early 1930s. The earliest gun they found with a 2-pin rib has a serial number of 2037xx with a date of June 30th, 1919. 28" vent rib, full choke barrel with front bead sight. WINCHESTER MODEL 12 for sale - gunsinternational.com Herbert Houze summarizes the Watrous report in his book Winchester Repeating Arms Company, Its History & Development from 1865 to 1981. No Reserve. The Olins bought Winchester for $8.1 million through a combination of $3.3 million cash and the balance in an issue of preferred stock. Askins rule of thumb of 70 years ago still pertains with modern lead-shot ammunition. Ab steadies the boat. I recently acquired a 1921 gun. Manufactured in 1962. Not shown in the table of results are the dense centers of patterns obtained with #4 shot compared to # 8 and #2 shot. the barrel and chamber are bright and clean. According to the Serial# 1439865, and Winchester manufacturing records, this gun w. 12ga, #366988, 30 inch barrel, 2 1/2 inch chamber, full choke, solid rib, blue finish, straight grip checkered walnut stock, checkered walnut forearm, 13 3/4 LOP with "newer" Winchester pad, 12ga, #1417110, 30 inch barrel, 3 inch chamber, full choke, blue finish, walnut stock and forearm, solid rib, original red rubber pad, 1954. Most everything can be easily bought online these days. Bids. Along in the 1920s a few bold souls had long-chambered [3-inch], overbored, long-barreled, and heavy, long range 12-gauge Magnum double guns built. part of our network, we sell THEIR guns first whenever possible. Winchester Model 12 28" Full with Solid Rib | Missouri Whitetails A forum community dedicated to Trap shooting enthusiasts. A study of Michael McIntoshs book Best Guns indicates that a few thousand of the specialized waterfowl doubles of all brands were sold between 1921 and 1941. Bluing is in overall very good condition. or Rudy Dozenrod out of Wyndemere, S.D. I fired 10 patterns for each of the five test loads in each of the two duck guns, for a total of 100 patterns. IC CHOKED MIROKU MADE. The original "Old milled rib" was developed by Winchester in the 1920's- but like so many of the older quality features, post WW11 competition by Remington and Ithaca made Olin-Winchester more "cost concerned"-- Many Model 12's were equipped with Simmons ribs afterwards, some were sent to New Haven by Simmons, and some Model 12's (and others . The slide handle was enlarged in about 1956 to a slightly extended beaver tail shape with 14 circular grooves. Winchester cautiously claimed 70 to 75% pattern in a 30 inch circle at 40 yards.. Regards Chuck. the ventilated rib is by simmons gin works. However, Winchesters ribs were not marked with the Simmons name and Kansas City address as mine is. Franklin and his two sons John M. Olin and Spencer T. Olin were the managers of Olin Industries and Western Cartridge Company in 1931. Model 12 Skeet Pump Shotgun. The shotgun featured here was made in 1976 and is in stellar condition. No Reserve. Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. Winchester Model 12 12ga. 30-in. Full - Vent Rib - Mint Sold them when we down sized to a smaller house that did not have a custom built safe room in it like the old house. It was Western that produced the 3 1/2-inch 10-gauge magnum with 2 ounces of shot in 1932. Winchester Model 1300 Speed Pump - 12 GA $395.00: 0 $395.00 1d 15h 33m 17222600. I have read the 3 different books I have on model 12's from cover to cover many times. Smith brand, by the A.H. Fox Company of Philadelphia, by Parker, and by Ithaca. 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Options for the Model 12 duck gun were reduced over the years, particularly following World War II. Chamber marked 2 3/4", choke marked full, and 14" LOP. All Model 12 shotguns have an action slide lock that keeps the action closed and locked in the event of a misfire or hang-fire. This little shotgun appears to have never been assembled and and has a 28 inch full choke barrel. Shooting the Model 12 Duck Gun I own two Model 12 duck guns. Rib Boat, Winchester Winchester Rifle Parts, 12 in Frame 12 in Wheel Electric Bikes, 12 Gauge Barrels, Youth Football Rib Protector . RIAC believes that this website is accessible to the widest possible audience pursuant to the guidelines of the Americans with Disability Act. One of my favorite subjectsI've read and reread the books by Madis, Riffle, and Stadt, and I still find it a little confusing. First of all was the end of management by people who were not familiar or sympathetic with the gun and ammunition business. The Olins were avid duck hunters. Western rapidly achieved a leading position in the ammunition industry through innovation and skillful management. H. Lea Lawrence relates in his 2001 GUN DIGEST article, The Saga of Bo Whoop, that in 1921 John Olin sent Buckingham his personal heavy double, a custom-choked Super Fox, for testing. Actually, it is generally thought by researchers that no Winchester factory Model 12 ribs were made or installed by Simmons. The first was helping the gunsmiths. The standard 12-gauge duck load in 1921 was a 2 3/4-inch shell holding 3 3/4-drams equivalent powder and 1 1/4-ounces of shot. Very Good example of a Model 12 26 inch poly choke with vent rib 12 ga. Other conditions: Phone 715-478-0404 within 48 hours to confirm payment, . Ithaca brought out their Magnum 10double to use the new shell. Factory original Model 12s with round post ribs were made by Winchester, not Simmons. Number 8 and 2 shot provided wider and more even patterns with no center thickening. Tried to talk him out of doing it and sell him a build up gun but he wanted a vent rib on it as it was his dad's gun. Note: The posting of Copyrighted material on this forum is prohibited without
So here is a history lesson on the skeet grade. In duck shooting the proportion of magazine guns in use is much higher, probably four men in five using the repeater. Askins added, Fact is, personally, I have always thought that I was surer on the second bird with a repeater than I was with a double gun. On gauges for duck hunting: No fault is to be found with the twelve [gauge] as a duck gun, whether in double barrel with 3 inch cases or in repeaters with 2 3/4 inch. John Olin initiated an analysis of Winchesters commercial line in 1942. 30" Full choke barrel. Winchester Model 12 12 GA For Sale Winchester 12 GA Model 12. Add to Cart Winchester 12 12 Gauge (W9744) $995.00 Winchester 12 12 Gauge shotgun. Item. No Reserve. 14" LOP OVER THE ORIGINAL W, Up for sale I have a 100% NIB Winchester model 12 chambered in 16ga. Simmons Gun Specialties rib has been added to barrel. Smoothbore Winchester Model 61 Slide Action Rifle with Rib & Box The nearest thing to a Model Twelve that could appear, whether domestic or foreign, would be a shotgun with the same model designation, but it would not and could not be a Model Twelve. Browning, in fact, did import foreign-made copies of the Model 12 after Madis wrote the above. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Lot 6593: Winchester Model 42 Slide Action Shotgun with Simmons Vent RibAuction Date: February 17, 2023. Bore is excellent. This gives a wrinkled appearance on bottom of pistol grip and bottom of forend. An incredible collector grade limited production 1953 Model 12 HEAVY DUCK GUN SIMMONS VENT RIB that is offered below Blue Book value. Cred, Ser no 510553, Mfg 1928 , Numbers Match, 30" Donut Post Vent Rib that is stamped Imp Cyl but has been relined and is Mod, 2nd barrel is 30" Donut Post Vent Rib stamped full but is Mod, Stamp, This Winchester Model 12 was manufactured in 1955 and is in good condition for its age. The 1 5/8-ounce load of the mid-30s bought the 12 magnum a few more yards of range. This is a correct factory Skeet grade 28 gauge with solid rib on the 26 skeet choked barrel. I had a friend who is deceased now that did extensive research on the Model 12 2-pin rib. A milled rib Model 12 is a milled rib Model 12, but the terminology is used a bit loosely. The Model 21 double seemed the reasonable choice for Winchesters duck gun. Mechanically, the Model 12 duck gun differs little in design from the standard Model 12. View cart for details. - Top Rated Plus - opens in a new window or tab, - eBay Money Back Guarantee - opens in a new window or tab. Get the 76th edition of the World's Greatest Gun Book. *** RARE *** Winchester Model 12 HEAVY DUCK GUN limited production run that combines the pre-64 Model 12 with a 12 ga. Magnum 30" barrel, factory production 3" Magnum, with a factory Simmons Vent Rib on an upgraded wood stock! It is not as slow or pokey as one might expect. The staff shot skeet with the gun and concluded It is not as fast as the standard Model-12, but nearly so., In further shooting tests the staff found We could not discern any practical difference in recoil effect when shooting standard three inch heavy duck loads. Winchester supplied two boxes of 3-inch shells loaded with 1 3/8-ounces of #5 chilled shot pushed by four drams equivalent of powder. Very good condition overall. In 1960, length of pull was increased to 13-3/4 inches on duck guns. Mfg 1917, 25" Barrel, Mod, Correct Forend and Buttstock, Small chip out of toe of butt plate, Wood is not damaged, Good Bore, Pictures show condition, Buyer pays 50.00 shipping Pa residents add 6, This Winchester Model 12 is a post 1972 gun with a "Y' prefix serial number. The finishes and rib are 100% Winchester and in great condi, Used Winchester Model 12
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Located in New, Winchester Model 12 pump action 12ga shotgun. - for PayPal Credit, opens in a new window or tab, about earning points with eBay Mastercard, Report this item - opens in new window or tab. The takedown joints are tight (See the instructions in Madis book if your Model 12 has a loose take-down joint). THE SHOTGUN HAS A 30' PLAIN BARREL AND IS FULL CHOKE. Exquisite Winchester Model 12, 20 gauge with Modified bore. Madis comments Fancy walnut was considered too fancy for the rough treatment often given a duck gun. Fancy walnut could be ordered and the few pidgeon-grade duck guns had fancy walnut. Harold Williamson, in his book Winchester, The Gun That Won the West, relates that the new management of Winchester embarked on a program that involved an extraordinary departure from the companys previous operations and the investment of borrowed capital in large amounts. Winchester struggled through a decade of inept product diversification that was terminated by the Great Depression. Charles Askins commented on the new Model 12 duck gun in the March 1936 issue of Outdoor Life: This should be the best long-range repeating shotgun now made or that has been made. No faint praise, but hardly a surprise. Factroy finish on metal, custom wood. A red rubber Winchesterre coil pad was added the first year of production. Buttstocks of duck guns had lead slugs inserted into the wood beneath the recoil pad. Free shipping for many products! Need Help?service@guns.comCall (866)582-4867, PO Box 1131 13800 Nicollet Blvd Burnsville, MN 55337 2023Guns.com. I am still going with "Winchester sent Model 12s to Simmons for ribs, but Simmons sold them." His shotguns were undoubtedly the best long-range duck guns he found in extensive testing. SN is 167xx, all numbers do match. Alex, we don't have enough info to give you an informed opinion. I put one of those BIG soft foam risers on the comb and shot it that way for years. Mar 24, 2023 Winchester Model 12 Shotgun $150 Mar 24, 2023 Two Winchester Pump Shotguns $150 Mar 24, 2023 L.C. The marsh is in riot! I believe the blueing to be original. Clear (Winchester Wikipedia Page) 27 Item(s) Found Page 1 1. on your local stores shelf, most retailers drop ship it from a warehouse in
Winchester model 12 26" vent rib poly choke barrel Also, the rib and its receiver extension cover the Winchester proof marks, a sure sign that it is not factory installed. Dave Riffle in his book, The Greatest Hammerless Repeating Shotgun Ever Built: The Model 12 1912-1964, states The Winchester Model 12 was, and still remains, the only gun that was offered in over 100 different variations or configurations during its lifetime. It is fair to say that Winchester produced Model 12 shotguns for every conceivable shotgunning special interest group, including duck hunters. But the charm of idle jump-shooting is far too potent.. The 30" heavy barrel is proof stamped "WINCHESTER TRADE MARK MADE IN THE U.S.A."; "-MODEL 12 - 12 GA. - FULL"; "WINCHESTER PROOF STEEL"; "FOR SUPER SPEED & SUPER - X 3 IN.". Metal parts of the Model 12 are machined from chrome-molybdenum, the toughest, longest wearing and finest gun steel known. Barrel lengths were 30 or 32 inches, but 32-inch barrels were discontinued in 1948. Winchester installed Simmons ribs and Simmons-designed ventilated ribs for several years. There is some difference in what they say but are good reference. Helping out a person with 3378 posts who if they spent 5min. At Guns.com, if an FFL is
The $48 price tag was right. A Simmons Rib has been added to the barrel and the metal was refinished. The solid rib gun shows carrying wear while the ventilated rib gun was refinished when the rib was installed. JavaScript is disabled. Charles Askins provides data for the patterning of several of his personal shotguns with Westerns Super X shells loaded with their new #4 copper-plated shot. If you pull the trigger and the shell does not fire you must push the slide handle forward to unlock the action. Thomas C. Johnson came to Winchester in 1885 and remained a dedicated employee until his death in 1934. seller description. Full choke was the only standard boring available. Winchester Model 12 Ribs? | Shotgun Forum Model 42s with donut post ribs, no Simmons markings, proof marks in the right places, in the proper serial number range, are considered to have been made to completion in the Winchester factory. The slide handle of early duck guns was round with 18 circular grooves. Then people would choose a grade of model 12 and add or change things to ther hunting or shooting style. The stock finish is original and excellent. The surge of zooming pinions [wings]! Interchangeable barrels (forend assembly) for 2 3/4-inch shells and choke of choice were special order. My wife shot her share of ducks with a 20-gauge autoloader bored Improved Cylinder shooting one ounce of #7 1/2-shot. 3-inch Super Twelve Shotshell My copy of Winchesters Catalog No. Winchester Model 12 Heavy Duck Gun 30" Simmons Vent Rib 1953 Pre-64 Standard Grade: 12-, 16-, 20- and 28-gauge; plain, solid or ventilated rib round barrels; standard lengths 26", 28", 30", 32"; plain walnut pistol-grip stock; grooved slide handle. w/ 22" barrel in original box w/ paperwork 1 of 1,000 #UG5 2 Paul Jaeger Jenkintown, PA. 30-06 cal. Twelve magnum guns grew lighter over the years and consequently kick harder. Winchester Model 12 12 ga 30 in Barrel 2 3/4" Full vent rib Barrel NICE Action works very nicely. Ventilated Rib Barrel Add On For Shotgun: Simmons Gun Repair Length of pull was reduced in January 1936 to reflect the extra clothing worn by duck hunters. Keep in mind that all of these changes in stock design were running changes and thus some overlapping of designs occurred in production. Duck hunters bought 12-gauge doubles with 3-inch chambers to use the new Super-X magnum load, the Super Twelve as it was soon called. I am anxious to get it back from the engraver. Must be shipped to an FFL, New price, Listed is a like new Winchester DU, Model-12, 12 Ga Pump Shotgun. Small depression in the magazine tube, as shown in pictures. custom bolt act. In reading Stadt's statements on page 109 of the latest version of this book, I don't see where he is too sure of his statements. so recall pads helped and they offerd hydro coil-stocks. the store. I decided to test the patterning of the five loads detailed in the accompanying table. Winchester Model 12 Skeet Gun 12 gauge with 25" Solid Rib Barrel - 12 GA: 0 5d 7h 6m 17240921. Bob Hinman, in his 1972 GUN DIGEST article Ten Cents a Duck, notes that Shooting for the market was at one time a way of life for thousands of Americas skilled shotgunners.. Duck guns always sold for a slight premium over the standard model. I offer the following example from What Rarer Day in Buckinghams book De Shootinest Gentman and Other Tales published in 1934. Auction Date: December 7, 2019 Estimated Price: $ 8,500 - $ 13,000 Price Realized: Details Exceptional and Documented Smoothbore Winchester Model 61 Slide Action "Rifle" with Simmons Vent Rib and Box Manufacturer: Winchester Model: 61 Type: Shotgun Gauge: 22 LR Shot Barrel: 24 inch vent rib Finish: blue Grip: Stock: walnut Item Views: 1599 Curious, I fired five additional patterns at 60 yards with Model 12 number 1418XXX and the Winchester load of 1 5/8-ounces of #4 shot. Click here for more information. Come join the discussion about targets, clays, hunting, gunsmithing, gear reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! Possible the fore end has been either replaced or re done. 30 Barrel. These are rare, a line can be seen along the dounut post on both sides. I used to club trap targets with it. Winchester Model 12 Shotguns For Sale - GunAuction.com "Metal parts of the Model 12 are machined from chrome-molybdenum, the toughest, longest wearing and finest gun steel known." Barrel lengths were 30 or 32 inches, but 32-inch barrels were discontinued in 1948. Has 30" barrel choked Full. And for this reason the spike in prices for the forty two will go back down becouse there is a alternative that is for sure and safe and they know all the things that people look for to see if it came from the winchester factory. Winchester ~ Model 12 Custom~ 12 GA Used Guns. - Straight Sighting Plane - Floating Vent rib action - Extra Strong Silver soldered posts Gun Type Over/Under w/RBSingle Barrel w/RB Probably a lot farther than we can hit em. , Excellent Winchester Model 12 12 gauge Deluxe Skeet gun with factory issued Cutts Compensator. Askins Ithaca 10-gauge double with 2 7/8-inch chambers averaged 86.9% with 1 5/8-ounces of shot. The earliest Simmons catalog I ever found was 1949 when Ernie began advertising his "Special vent rib" which was the "Dounut Post".